[FlatSix]

one more pic for the gang. Ocean Blue Metallic

[FlatSix]

I saw one of these today:

https://www.guntherwerks.com

Looks like these guys are to the 993 what Singer is to the 964.

Car was absolutely spectacular.

[red64chevelle]

All this talk about 95's and no SAI. Here is mine. I removed the SAI system last week using the Patrick SAI plugs.

[fpena944]

All this talk about 95's and no SAI. Here is mine. I removed the SAI system last week using the Patrick SAI plugs.

I remember that was one of the issues that scared me away from 993 ownership as I was looking at a '97 at one time.

Hey based on your username you might have to head to the "American Car " forum and post some pics of that Chevelle!

[David993S]

Have you guys seen what a few C4S's have sold for recently on BAT? Holy crap. Makes me wonder what a low mileage C2S would bring.

[milrad]

pulse check...any 993 owners hanging around?

[David993S]

Just because:

[milrad]

[amdavid]

993's really are the best looking cars on the planet. GORGEOUS!

[fast_freddy]

pulse check...any 993 owners hanging around?

Formerly... However, I'm lining up a 1996 thats local. It needs a bit of work, but not too much more than I wouldn't prophylactically address anyway.

[milrad]

I hope it hasn't been "local" its whole life lol! Or you'd better be checking closely...as you know, even "summer" cars rust up there!

[fast_freddy]

I hope it hasn't been "local" its whole life lol! Or you'd better be checking closely...as you know, even "summer" cars rust up there!

It does have a little surface rust on the trailing edges of the front wheel arches, which is a very easy diy. No “cancer” elsewhere though. The bumper cover is beat to death which happens with these cars. It needs a top end rebuild and suspension work (I would have done anyway). The car was sort of loved. It was his brothers car that spent its life in Georgia from new and has been sitting in his garage since. The interior is great, even the left bolster on the drivers seat. The Odo even works, lol. The guy is terrified of what he has and can’t find anyone to work on it, I’m keeping my yap shut about that. He’s whining about it taking up space. I made an offer, he thinks it’s worth more than it is which is normal. We’ll see. I did fire my Indy wrench today. He blew off working on a few things on my CL and I needed the car. He rushed the job and accidentally broke off part of the thermostat housing. He owned up to it but didn’t think keeping the car a few extra days was a big deal. Then he tried to jack me on the labor telling me it was three hours more than it took him trying to get his money back in the part he broke. I showed him the timeline of texts of him starting work and ending. Done. He thought I owed him everything because he lent me his radar detector for a few days to try. Never mind the $5-6k a year I spend at his shop. By the time I passed Albany en route to Philly I had two guys aching to do a few things for me. He then called to apologize. Boo fucking hoo. I am looking into investing in a garage that my wife can use part of the building for her biz and of course the rest for a shop. I’ve got a client who has a commercial fleet of cars (elder care) that need around $80-90k year of service who has told me I’ve got his biz if I want to set up shop. Just looking for a partner/shop guy to get it done. A good shop is sorely needed here. They’re all assholes who are good at treating customers like shit. Easy pickings if you ask me.

[milrad]

A good shop is sorely needed here. They’re all assholes who are good at treating customers like shit. Easy pickings if you ask me.

Agreed. It shocks me that there still isn't with all the money that's floating around Chittenden County. It was crazy how many cars with VT plates I saw down in NH getting serviced....for good reason.

Good luck in scoring that car...sounds like it NEEDS you

[amdavid]

Freddy, what's status on the 96 993?

Check for rust under the front windshield seal, another common area for rust development.

[fast_freddy]

Freddy, what's status on the 96 993?

Check for rust under the front windshield seal, another common area for rust development.

I'm playing chicken with him. The hard part about playing chicken, is knowing when to flinch. He texted me a week ago with, "what are your thoughts?" I responded two days later (I'm playing a game I hate) with "unless the price is what I offered I have no thoughts". I do know that the used car and in particular the more exotic car market has vaporized since December with the exception of downmarket cars that never changes. My best friend from childhood used to be Penske/PAG CFO and now sits on his current cos board with the Carmax CEO and all his auto industry contacts at Penske and elsewhere have mentioned they're selling nothing now (think Camry and price points north). My local car auctions inventory has more than doubled recently and actually has some half decent cars not just cars that were absolutely beaten to death. I'm thinking by early May I might "strike". I'm being patient (for once in my life) on this.

Rust wise it's all good.

[eflight]

I started kicking myself again for selling my 997S when I did

I just started looking at 993's. I'd really like to get a driver for a decent price. More than willing to work on what I can myself.

I'm also looking at 964s but heck I can dream about having a 993 cant I

BAT has turned into collector perfect cars at crazy high prices.

I'm searching the standard Craigslist, auto trader , classic cars Facebook, Cars and bids and Hemmings.

Any other places I should be looking?

[XR4Tim]

I started kicking myself again for selling my 997S when I did

I just started looking at 993's. I'd really like to get a driver for a decent price. More than willing to work on what I can myself.

I'm also looking at 964s but heck I can dream about having a 993 cant I

BAT has turned into collector perfect cars at crazy high prices.

I'm searching the standard Craigslist, auto trader , classic cars Facebook, Cars and bids and Hemmings.

Any other places I should be looking?

What do you consider a decent price? Cabs and Tips will be on the cheaper end of the spectrum if you're willing to go there.

[eflight]

What do you consider a decent price? Cabs and Tips will be on the cheaper end of the spectrum if you're willing to go there.

Right now my Boss approved target is $50K. I really want a manual for the driving engagement and I'm not a big fan of convertibles.

I've got a lead on an 83 911 Targa thats at $45K, but high mileage, supposedly the engine has been rebuilt. Will need to make a trip to Mass on Monday to check it out.

I'm torn between an old school air cooled 911 and the creature comforts of a newer car.

996 prices are reasonable, I just cant get past those headlights.

[XR4Tim]

Yeah, there's not much out there in that range. A couple of 6-speed Cabs - this one I've seen in person: https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/a43a ... =atempest4
But that budget would buy you an awful lot of 996.

[eflight]

Yeah, there's not much out there in that range. A couple of 6-speed Cabs - this one I've seen in person: https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/a43a ... =atempest4
But that budget would buy you an awful lot of 996.

I just wish I liked the look of the 996. Then again between the IMS and the Borescore I'm not ready to jump on a 996 or 997 right now

[XR4Tim]

I just wish I liked the look of the 996. Then again between the IMS and the Borescore I'm not ready to jump on a 996 or 997 right now

I know what you mean. No 911 looks better than a 993 to me, but pricing has me occasionally peeking at 996s. I wish you much success, and will let you know if I see something that you won't have to compromise on.

[fpena944]

Yeah, there's not much out there in that range. A couple of 6-speed Cabs - this one I've seen in person: https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/a43a ... =atempest4
But that budget would buy you an awful lot of 996.

I just wish I liked the look of the 996. Then again between the IMS and the Borescore I'm not ready to jump on a 996 or 997 right now

I felt the same about the 996 years ago as well. But once I drove it I didn't care. IMS as you know is easily mitigated and borescore seems to only be an issue for cold-weather garage queens.

At first those headlights were quite a shock but now with even the new 911s not exactly having the classic lights, the 996 models don't seem all that out of character for Porsche anymore. Mind you I'm talking the lights from the '02+ models not the ones that were shared with the Boxster.

In my mind though, the 964 turbo and 993 turbos are two of the best looking 911s ever made!

[amdavid]

Why not go back to a... 997..like an 07 non S...? You should be able to get a nice manual coupe for 50k or under.

[David993S]

(posted in the air-cooled 911 forum too................)

Odd thing happened about an hour ago. I started the 993 to move to the driveway to wash it. I thought the key seemed a little "notchy" when turning. Shut off fine. Started up again fine. Go to turn the car off after putting it back in the garage, and the key is stuck in the ignition. Won't turn all the way off (verticle position) to remove. I can still start the car and shut it off, but the key is stuck in the ignition.

It doesn't have anything to so with the steering wheel lockout mechanism. That was disabled 24 years ago when the hand controls were installed. And it's worked fine for 24 years. I tried turning the steering wheel lock to lock to see if that worked.......nadda. The car has 46k miles.

Anyone ever have this problem? Do I need a new key/ignition mechanism? Did the tumblers inside the ignition break/fail?

Any advice, good or bad, is welcomed.

[fpena944]

(posted in the air-cooled 911 forum too................)

Odd thing happened about an hour ago. I started the 993 to move to the driveway to wash it. I thought the key seemed a little "notchy" when turning. Shut off fine. Started up again fine. Go to turn the car off after putting it back in the garage, and the key is stuck in the ignition. Won't turn all the way off (verticle position) to remove. I can still start the car and shut it off, but the key is stuck in the ignition.

It doesn't have anything to so with the steering wheel lockout mechanism. That was disabled 24 years ago when the hand controls were installed. And it's worked fine for 24 years. I tried turning the steering wheel lock to lock to see if that worked.......nadda. The car has 46k miles.

Anyone ever have this problem? Do I need a new key/ignition mechanism? Did the tumblers inside the ignition break/fail?

Any advice, good or bad, is welcomed.

If it's anything like the 996 then the ignition module has gone bad.

Fortunately on the 996 it's an easy and cheap fix. Not sure if the same on the 993 but if so then you're in luck.

[David993S]

amdavid made a suggestion, and it worked. (see post in other thread) Glad it wasn't anything more involved.

[XR4Tim]

Very fortunate, because replacing the ignition lock in a 993 is no fun at all.

[terry997]

Sold my 1998 993 C2S 17 years ago with 161K miles, for $26K.
Yesterday saw a dark blue one for sale at dealer with 12K miles.
$210K

[amdavid]

Who's the latest 993 owner here?.......@JDS968 or @fast_freddy ???

[fast_freddy]

Who's the latest 993 owner here?.......@JDS968 or @fast_freddy ???

It's come and gone. The 993 market heated up again to a ridiculous level. I liked it for sure, but not THAT much. It's just a car, thats all. There are still plenty out there with people holding onto them for grim death, then the market will flood when everyone realizes it's just a car. I'm not a collector per se, I like to drive them and with that, what little I did drive it, other than the exhaust note, I didn't enjoy it much more than the Cayman (which I'm likely unloading). As far as exhaust, the Virage is the cats meow.

I'm in the midst of "refining" the stable. CL63, S600, Cayman S, Panamera S are going bye bye, E63AMG got totaled from a non replaceable headlight (deer strike). Incoming Maybach S600/680, Panny TS, 911S (991 not a fan of the Turbo engines in the latter 991 and 992's for how I enjoy that type of car) and "may be" an CL/S600 Coupe. AM Virage is staying for now.

V12 baby!

[amdavid]

Nice update and I agree on a 993 being a hard car to justify driving regularly unless you have a lot of fu money.

You have an incoming Maybach? Yes to the V12 sound every single time they're worked.

Who's the latest 993 owner here?.......@JDS968 or @fast_freddy ???

It's come and gone. The 993 market heated up again to a ridiculous level. I liked it for sure, but not THAT much. It's just a car, thats all. There are still plenty out there with people holding onto them for grim death, then the market will flood when everyone realizes it's just a car. I'm not a collector per se, I like to drive them and with that, what little I did drive it, other than the exhaust note, I didn't enjoy it much more than the Cayman (which I'm likely unloading). As far as exhaust, the Virage is the cats meow.

I'm in the midst of "refining" the stable. CL63, S600, Cayman S, Panamera S are going bye bye, E63AMG got totaled from a non replaceable headlight (deer strike). Incoming Maybach S600/680, Panny TS, 911S (991 not a fan of the Turbo engines in the latter 991 and 992's for how I enjoy that type of car) and "may be" an CL/S600 Coupe. AM Virage is staying for now.

V12 baby!

[JDS968]

Nice update and I agree on a 993 being a hard car to justify driving regularly unless you have a lot of fu money.

You have an incoming Maybach? Yes to the V12 sound every single time they're worked.

Who's the latest 993 owner here?.......@JDS968 or @fast_freddy ???

It's come and gone. The 993 market heated up again to a ridiculous level. I liked it for sure, but not THAT much. It's just a car, thats all. There are still plenty out there with people holding onto them for grim death, then the market will flood when everyone realizes it's just a car. I'm not a collector per se, I like to drive them and with that, what little I did drive it, other than the exhaust note, I didn't enjoy it much more than the Cayman (which I'm likely unloading). As far as exhaust, the Virage is the cats meow.

I'm in the midst of "refining" the stable. CL63, S600, Cayman S, Panamera S are going bye bye, E63AMG got totaled from a non replaceable headlight (deer strike). Incoming Maybach S600/680, Panny TS, 911S (991 not a fan of the Turbo engines in the latter 991 and 992's for how I enjoy that type of car) and "may be" an CL/S600 Coupe. AM Virage is staying for now.

V12 baby!

I'm still looking for a '95 manual C2 coupe, don't have one yet. I posted back in 2021 that they were going for $65,000 on BaT, now they're all going for $90,000. I really missed the boat on this and now it's probably going to cost me dearly. The right "project car" for me is probably out there, somewhere, but I haven't found it yet and I don't think it's going to be listed on BaT now. They seem to have this weird blind spot where they list pristine low-mileage cars that have been babied and they list non-running rolling chassis sort of cars, but nothing in between. The car I'm looking for so I can tear it apart and customize the body panels, interior, suspension, and engine would be somewhere in between the two.

[eflight]

They seem to have this weird blind spot where they list pristine low-mileage cars that have been babied and they list non-running rolling chassis sort of cars, but nothing in between. The car I'm looking for so I can tear it apart and customize the body panels, interior, suspension, and engine would be somewhere in between the two.

I think some of that is due to BaT auction fees. The fee is acceptable for really low prices on a rolling chassis, and for really hard to find expensive cars, the extra money isn't significant to the buyer and the seller is happy to get the wider audience with lots of cash. On nice cars in the $50- $65 K range the fee is extra money lost by the seller that he could have gotten if he sold it locally.

[JDS968]

They seem to have this weird blind spot where they list pristine low-mileage cars that have been babied and they list non-running rolling chassis sort of cars, but nothing in between. The car I'm looking for so I can tear it apart and customize the body panels, interior, suspension, and engine would be somewhere in between the two.

I think some of that is due to BaT auction fees. The fee is acceptable for really low prices on a rolling chassis, and for really hard to find expensive cars, the extra money isn't significant to the buyer and the seller is happy to get the wider audience with lots of cash. On nice cars in the $50- $65 K range the fee is extra money lost by the seller that he could have gotten if he sold it locally.

Yeah, it's kind of a shame they seem to have driven a significant fraction of their own business away. I wasn't really paying attention to the site back during 2014 - 2018, but my understanding was that it used to sell a lot of cars that you really did want to trailer away...the sort that might drive onto the trailer, or might need to be pushed/winched, but you probably shouldn't trust to drive 2000 miles home - or 200.

I've heard some people suggest that the best place to find the sort of solid but rough car I'm looking for as a starting point for customization is, ugh, the Facingbook. That website is the cultural equivalent of syphilis, and I want the car but I'd rather deal with Craigslist than the Facingbook.

Remember when Craigslist was full of hidden treasures?

[amdavid]

Yeah, I still use Craigslist, but you're not going to find a 993 project car there....or anywhere. You could probably pick up a tip, or cab in your budget range with some digging and OR friends.

[JDS968]

Hmmm...I've been dreaming about putting a Hewland LLS-200 in a 993...maybe it would be cheaper to buy a Tiptronic AND an LLS-200 than to buy a manual 993. Wild.