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Just fishing for the story really.

My real impression was that Carl sold the business, but the outcome was in name only, and that party was essentially selling off his inventory and not actively producing new product.

Am I close to the truth here or not?

I’m curious because the web site is still up and my order (procharger mounting plate) shipped within 24 hours.

I have the same impression. I bought a motor stand adapter not long ago from them (earlier this year I think) and was talking with another fellow 928'er that also bought one after me and we believe we bought the last two.



Maybe whoever bought it is cooking something up and taking their time, who knows!

I won't expect to hear the real story, however, until after I attend one of those secret gatherings, give the 928 greeting, and partake of some variety of kool-aid. That reminds me - I need to start carrying my 928 Schmidt Card around!

hernanca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:23 pm I have the same impression.

I won't expect to hear the real story, however, until after I attend one of those secret gatherings, give the 928 greeting, and partake of some variety of kool-aid. That reminds me - I need to start carrying my 928 Schmidt Card around!

I’ve heard you are being fast tracked.
it’s like Scientology, or potentially the Free Masons.
When you are ready, they will come and indoctrinate you to the next level. Be patient.

At higher levels Hernanca they will tell you… what oil IS actually the best.

Crumpler wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 9:37 am At higher levels Hernanca they will tell you… what oil IS actually the best.

Oh, Nirvana - I can hardly wait!

That story is so long and convoluted it’s only fit to be told over beers, late at night, in a parking lot.

This is why I need to attend at least one of these events before I’m too old to drive 500 miles on a hang over.

Before the sale they were one of my biggest customers. Now I rarely get an order. It does seem very odd.

SeanR wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:20 pm That story is so long and convoluted it’s only fit to be told over beers, late at night, in a parking lot.

Seems like we're about a week away from story time.

Big ask, but can you guys discuss the new SC kit as well?
Just saw GB pontificate so I’m expecting good theater.

Ok.
That didn’t take long.
Now it’s a shit show over there.

Crumpler wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2023 10:14 am Big ask, but can you guys discuss the new SC kit as well?

One of my clients bought a 928 with the original kit installed on it. (Look back in the Random 928 Picture Thread for it.)

That version had at at least two major architecture fails. The execution of the installation (done by the developer) on the electrical side was 3rd-grade level.

There was no design accommodation for common aftermarket parts - radiator in particular.

There was no documentation for wiring, design, or spares/replacements.

I hope that whoever’s “doing it” now has learned some lessons.

I’d be happy to provide them with private feedback. You’ll note that only my post got no reply.

GB is right to question heat soak with extended use. He’s just doing it in a way that makes people want to ignore the issue out of spite.

Yes, and took a shot at Hans as well if you noticed.

More respect for him if he just said heat soak. Who ever runs even a boosted (much less N/A ) 928 at 6000 rpm for sustained periods?
George is a N of 1 and does not count here.

I’m going say from my experience that there will never be a SC kit (probably for any car) that drops in without extensive mods. So i question the new business venture, but would never shit on the concept.

Is anybody following that thread?
If so go over there before it’s all taken down.

Crumpler wrote:Is anybody following that thread?
If so go over there before it’s all taken down.

yes it can get very stressful very quickly over there, sad really, much easier to just get questions asked and answered on here and not worry about keyboard warriors with nothing better to do than call each other names etc.

I like the concept of this secret thread with in a thread.
The new supercharger kit: I don’t know. Now there’s disclaimers?
He hasn’t even fabricated or installed a kit.
From what I see, there’s a box of old Victor parts and some grandiose plans. Seemingly general, but not comprehensive knowledge of 928’s.
It just doesn’t give me a warm fuzzy.

I haven’t followed it in at least a week.

So a drop in hardware kit is complete and for sale?

I feel like I’m missing something.

I want to believe that an entity would put super mega bucks into R&D for an obscure platform like a 928, but it’s hard to picture.
I do think there’s a market for aftermarket ECU conversion, as our old computers die off. I hope they stick with that idea.

I won’t comment on the Rotrex SC kit thread on TOS.

Crumpler wrote: ↑Tue Sep 03, 2024 6:50 pm I do think there’s a market for aftermarket ECU conversion, as our old computers die off. I hope they stick with that idea.

This exists already. Someone (who can name himself if he wishes) has been driving around on it for two years. It’s required for something else. Discussions about “production” for non-FI applications are ongoing.

Ok, to be fair I did research their website.
Now it makes more sense to me.
Looks like high end air cooled is the money maker with a dip into the transaxle market.

Recent posting not terribly surprising.
I think they are self realizing the challenges and pitfalls of marketing a plug and play on a 40 year old platform.
If they are worried that their kit be used on “older” engines… Uhmm.

I don’t know, I’m still getting this vibe that they think the 928 clientele is the same as those that own same period 911’s.

Quite clear to me that they have no clue about 928 engines and crank case breathing.

16v engines, even when ‘built’, if the CCB isn’t increased will puke oil when run hard.

32v engines are not fundamentally different as far as the short block is concerned.

Add boost and with stock CCB you’ll be more of an oil burner than gasoline burner.

IIRC many years ago, there was a discussion about this on TOS and (again) IIRC the conclusion was that forged pistons in an AluSil block - due to expansion rate differences - are simply not a recipe for the best cylinder sealing.

Let’s all recall Tuomo’s first motor: 80?-k-mile stock short block making 600-ish rwhp with no oil burning. But, lots of CCB capacity.

I became a believer in CCB when I forgot to secure the oil cap between dyno pulls. Holy sheet.


I don’t know about their engineering side, but I know at least one CCB disciple has talked to the frontman about breathing systems. But that was six months ago.

Crumpler wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2024 7:01 pm I became a believer in CCB when I forgot to secure the oil cap between dyno pulls. Holy sheet.


I don’t know about their engineering side, but I know at least one CCB disciple has talked to the frontman about breathing systems. But that was six months ago.

I’ll just continue to

Not wanting to 'start' anything with this post; I've been away from anything 928-related for about three years.
Seems a lot has happened since. Just trying to catch up...

For parts, Roger appears still to be the go-to guy.
Is 928 Motorsports still in business? Are they exclusively selling through Pelican?

What are all the 'good' sources for 928 parts then, nowadays?

(I believe my 5l engine has quite a few 928MS parts, but from back in ~2016 AFAICT...)

MAL_PA wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2025 4:34 pm Is 928 Motorsports still in business? Are they exclusively selling through Pelican?

What are all the 'good' sources for 928 parts then, nowadays?

For 928 Motorsports: I have no idea. When it was Carl's after, a couple of "goes at it" with his parts I told my clients that I would not install any parts from 928MS.

Sources for parts in no particular order:

Roger at 928sRUs if you need parts fast; they keep a lot of stock.
Mark at 928 International for used (or new) parts.
Jeannie at 928 Specialists for new parts and if you are looking for something quite specific in terms of manufacturer of the part.
getPorscheParts.com if you don't want to interact with, or follow up on, human beings.

worf wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2025 8:08 pm
Sources for parts in no particular order:

Cheers.
Any opinion on 928 Classics?

MAL_PA wrote: ↑Sat Aug 02, 2025 8:17 pm Any opinion on 928 Classics?

I didn't list them. It was not an oversight.

I wonder whatever happened to Jag Engineering (Garage 9)?

I made my own leather shifter because I thought they went out of business.

Mongo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 05, 2025 2:47 pm I wonder whatever happened to Jag Engineering (Garage 9)?

I made my own leather shifter because I thought they went out of business.

They seem to move around, but I ordered back in May through the following site and received what I ordered (gauge bezels, but for my purposes I might get something made instead). @worf didn't list them, though, so I dunno:

https://garage9.com/

hernanca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 28, 2025 9:17 pm .. worf didn't list them, though, so I dunno:

Wait. Was I supposed to? What is their connection to the company in the thread title?

Roger is also selling my aftermarket parts, and some of them are improved versions of some of Carls old parts. S4 skid plates and engine stand adapters will be added to the site this weekend. If you go to 928srus and search on 928 innovations it will show everything of mine that Roger has in stock. My parts actually fit and function as designed.

worf wrote: ↑Thu Aug 28, 2025 9:47 pm

hernanca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 28, 2025 9:17 pm .. worf didn't list them, though, so I dunno:

Wait. Was I supposed to? What is their connection to the company in the thread title?

Probably a comment in reference to my question: "What are all the 'good' sources for 928 parts then, nowadays?" and your reply to it.

I didn't realize that it was supposed to be a comprehensive list of every parts supplier that can provide quality parts. I assumed it was supposed be a list of with whom to start.

Roger at 928sRUs if you need parts fast; they keep a lot of stock.
Mark at 928 International for used (or new) parts.
Jeannie at 928 Specialists for new parts and if you are looking for something quite specific in terms of manufacturer of the part.
getPorscheParts.com if you don't want to interact with, or follow up on, human beings.
Sean - fuel lines, front main engine (FME) harness - sold through Roger
Project 9 LLC (Hans)
Precision Motorwerks (Greg Brown) - fuel and oil cooler lines, FME harnesses, other stuff
Electronik Repair (Rich Andrade) - electrical rebuilds
Black Sea R&D (Constantine) - torque tube Superbearings, Superclamp, rebuilds.
Maddog Sterling - sold through Roger.
Jim Corenman - PEMs, Sharktuner

No doubt some others that slip my mind right now. And they'll be pissed at me for not remembering them

https://garage9.com/ - is "odds and ends." I just noticed that their bolt kits for 87+ under tray and splash shields are incomplete/wrong.

Off topic, I have not heard Bo Diddly from the all inclusive SC roll out Rascant?, on the other channel.

MAL_PA wrote: ↑Fri Aug 29, 2025 12:05 am

worf wrote: ↑Thu Aug 28, 2025 9:47 pm

hernanca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 28, 2025 9:17 pm .. worf didn't list them, though, so I dunno:

Wait. Was I supposed to? What is their connection to the company in the thread title?

Probably a comment in reference to my question: "What are all the 'good' sources for 928 parts then, nowadays?" and your reply to it.

Yes, I was jumping in and riding on the digression indicated.

No list is ever truly complete, of course, and at best are snapshots in time.

However, to answer your interogatory question on the connection, I hereby subject myself to truth serum and offer up a snapshot of how my mind sees it:

Hmmm... I recall that there were two pictures. One with underwear and one without.

Note to self: dig up special 928 id cards!

hernanca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 9:23 pm I have the same impression. I bought a motor stand adapter not long ago from them (earlier this year I think) and was talking with another fellow 928'er that also bought one after me and we believe we bought the last two.



Maybe whoever bought it is cooking something up and taking their time, who knows!

I won't expect to hear the real story, however, until after I attend one of those secret gatherings, give the 928 greeting, and partake of some variety of kool-aid. That reminds me - I need to start carrying my 928 Schmidt Card around!

Roger has engine stand adapters in stock for those that are looking for them.