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Red Loctite on Crank Bolt?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 5:32 pm
by Crumpler
I’ve never used red before. I traditionally use blue and torque to 218 foot pounds.

I had the pulley work loose during a dyno session today. Embarrassing, but luckily no damage to the treads on the crank.
Bad news is this is the huge 928 Motorsports pulley so I had to push the car off and pull the radiator to re-torque with red. Long day.

Re: Red Loctite on Crank Bolt?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 5:58 pm
by worf
Well, not sure what was the problem. But, given “928 Motorsports”… that’d be my bet.

Washer backwards?

If not those then torque procedure perhaps?

I have a 3/4” snap-on y-beam torque wrench. I’ve never had a crank bolt come loose including the Twin-Screw.

One thing’s for certain: you’ll need to remember to heat that crank bolt before you attempt to remove it next time.

Re: Red Loctite on Crank Bolt?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 6:21 pm
by Crumpler
I don’t know. It does not give me a warm fuzzy that’s for sure. The pulley it supposed to be balanced, but honestly I never tested it. If it’s unbalanced you can’t see it with the naked eye.
The belt set up is reasonable, stock PS and alt to driver side and supercharger is a 6pk to passenger side.
Here’s the numbers for what it’s worth, before the fun began:
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Re: Red Loctite on Crank Bolt?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:08 pm
by worf
Roughly 425 bhp, 465 ft-lbs at the crank assuming 15% driveline loss.

Not shabby!

Nice torque curve too.

Re: Red Loctite on Crank Bolt?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2023 10:17 pm
by maddog2020
you shouldn't need loctite if you have a new bolt and torque to spec. I spun out the crank bolt on my fast revving stroker engine several times, and replaced with a new bolt and didn't have a problem again The longer supercharger pulley is going to amplify the stresses of the bolt and thread and a new bolt should have been used anyway. Did the kit specify loctite? what do the murf kits require?

Re: Red Loctite on Crank Bolt?

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:12 am
by Geza-aka-Zombo
Red is permanent - I don't think that was a good idea. Hopefully, the threads were not completely free of grease or oil.
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Re: Red Loctite on Crank Bolt?

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:22 pm
by Crumpler
Thanks Dave, I was pleased with the torque but I guess my hp goal was a little higher. I wanted to be able to say 400 hp at the wheels, but I will take it.


Sterling, Long story but I didn’t buy Carl’s kit, just the pulley. No sexual favors were required but you can imagine the conversation;)
I never saw his “directions”, I think you only got them if you bought the kit.
The bolt was new FWIW.

Geza, yeah I get it. That’s why I never used it before.
But, looking at the carnival yesterday it seemed the best way to get home. I have talked to people that have used it and say no issues, with heat of course.

Re: Red Loctite on Crank Bolt?

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 3:52 pm
by worf
Crumpler wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:22 pm Thanks Dave, I was pleased with the torque but I guess my hp goal was a little higher. I wanted to be able to say 400 hp at the wheels, but I will take it.
Horsepower sells cars. Torque wins races.

If you want more horsepower, you’ll have to figure out how to extend the torque plateau higher into the rev band. I don’t have a clue if your SC is the limitation or the intake or the throttle body. I’m assuming with that, that more air is required. But…

What’s the fuel-air ratio when the torque begins to drop.

Re: Red Loctite on Crank Bolt?

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:21 pm
by tungsten
worf wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2023 3:52 pm Horsepower sells cars. Torque wins races.
Do you want Kibort? That’s how you get Kibort.

Re: Red Loctite on Crank Bolt?

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:16 pm
by worf
Lol. Just don’t type that name again in this thread and we’re all good.

Re: Red Loctite on Crank Bolt?

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:21 pm
by maddog2020
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