By i am not a traitor - Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:47 am
- Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:47 am
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That screen in the back would be pretty awesome for road trips with the kids.
But the grills remind me of:
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But the grills remind me of:
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i am not a traitor wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:47 am But the grills remind me of:Like I said, it looks great in black because you can barely see the grille. Given that it's all-electric, those grilles really only add drag to the car and make it less efficient.
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i am not a traitor wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:47 am That screen in the back would be pretty awesome for road trips with the kids.
But the grills remind me of:
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AKSteve wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 12:09 pmYeah I didn't think BMW would be letting it's flagship car fall victim to the all-electric strategy. Even with all of their advantages there are some serious infrastructure and convenience issues with electric vehicles right now.i am not a traitor wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:47 am But the grills remind me of:I was trying to visualize what it looks like and you nailed it!
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Like I said, it looks great in black because you can barely see the grille. Given that it's all-electric, those grilles really only add drag to the car and make it less efficient.
EDIT: Oops, I thought the entire 7-Series was now all-electric. Six and eight-cylinder engines now feature 48V mild hybrid technology while the i7 xDrive60 is all-electric.
fpena944 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:23 pm For me personally, this is the best looking modern BMW ever made. Was so close to buying one of these but instead bought a house, got divorced, and then bought a 944 S2 instead!Nice! I bought one of those new back in 2002. I had it custom-ordered with manual seats and no moonroof to make sure I would fit in it. Carbon Black with Cinnamon leather and the SMG transmission. The dealership was actually on the east coast and I picked it up in Wilmington Delaware of all places and drove back across the country with my Dad. He always says that trip is one of his favorite memories. I kind of wish I had held onto it. The E46 M3 is considered by many to be the best of the M models.![]()
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ranger22 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:45 amI guess you missed the very first post of this thread.tooloud10 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 6:39 pm China has ruined BMW.Aha! You nailed it! I finally understand what’s happening at BMW.
AKSteve wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:35 pm Ugly as it may be to some, Car & Driver just tested the coupe version of my car and the results are pretty stunning.My comments were based on judging a book by its cover......the cover is ugly so I don't care about the contents. I did say in an earlier comment, "l'll bet it will be a blast to drive". I keep thinking "I wouldn't fk her with your dick"....kinda like "I wouldn't drive it if you paid for it".
0-60 in 2.8sec. 1/4 mile in 11.0 @ 125mph.
I guess add a couple of tenths to those numbers since I have a convertible. But still. On paper, that beats my 911 C4S. Having driven both, I would say the 911 feels faster, but it's close.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a4 ... e-numbers/
amdavid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:34 pmNo problem. And I understand that some people absolutely hate the grilles and can't get over how they look. I think this mindset is especially strong with longtime car enthusiasts who are just used to seeing BMW's look a certain way. I'm one of those people as well and I absolutely would not own this car in certain colors based solely on how those grilles look with the wrong color. But my particular color combination looks great to me and I hardly even notice the grilles. This car also gets more comments and compliments than I ever expected, way more than any Porsche I've owned. People just really seem to like this car. My only other thought is that maybe you aren't looking at it right. :)AKSteve wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:35 pm Ugly as it may be to some, Car & Driver just tested the coupe version of my car and the results are pretty stunning.My comments were based on judging a book by its cover......the cover is ugly so I don't care about the contents. I did say in an earlier comment, "l'll bet it will be a blast to drive". I keep thinking "I wouldn't fk her with your dick"....kinda like "I wouldn't drive it if you paid for it".
0-60 in 2.8sec. 1/4 mile in 11.0 @ 125mph.
I guess add a couple of tenths to those numbers since I have a convertible. But still. On paper, that beats my 911 C4S. Having driven both, I would say the 911 feels faster, but it's close.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a4 ... e-numbers/
Being the compassionate person I am.............I will say that I'm glad you're happy and enjoying "it".![]()
You know my opinion on the grills, I'll leave it alone now.
AKSteve wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:42 pm This car also gets more comments and compliments than I ever expected, way more than any Porsche I've owned. People just really seem to like this car. My only other thought is that maybe you aren't looking at it right. :)Perhaps people are giving you compliments in a “bless his heart” kind of way. They take pity on the person convinced their baby ain’t ugry!
ranger22 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:58 pmBless your heart, but No. In one short drive through downtown the other night, I got 2 "nice car, man!" comments yelled at me, one big thumbs up from a guy crossing the street and had a brief conversation with 2 kids on the corner at a light who wanted to know if it was an M6.AKSteve wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:42 pm This car also gets more comments and compliments than I ever expected, way more than any Porsche I've owned. People just really seem to like this car. My only other thought is that maybe you aren't looking at it right. :)Perhaps people are giving you compliments in a “bless his heart” kind of way. They take pity on the person convinced their baby ain’t ugry!
AKSteve wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:03 pmranger22 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:58 pmBless your heart, but No. In one short drive through downtown the other night, I got 2 "nice car, man!" comments yelled at me, one big thumbs up from a guy crossing the street and had a brief conversation with 2 kids on the corner at a light who wanted to know if it was an M6.AKSteve wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:42 pm This car also gets more comments and compliments than I ever expected, way more than any Porsche I've owned. People just really seem to like this car. My only other thought is that maybe you aren't looking at it right. :)Perhaps people are giving you compliments in a “bless his heart” kind of way. They take pity on the person convinced their baby ain’t ugry!
Oh, and not one single comment by anyone at all yet about the grilles. The criticism seems limited to online discussion forums.
amdavid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:44 pmWell remember this is a new model that does look different than the previous one.AKSteve wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 3:03 pmranger22 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:58 pmBless your heart, but No. In one short drive through downtown the other night, I got 2 "nice car, man!" comments yelled at me, one big thumbs up from a guy crossing the street and had a brief conversation with 2 kids on the corner at a light who wanted to know if it was an M6.
Perhaps people are giving you compliments in a “bless his heart” kind of way. They take pity on the person convinced their baby ain’t ugry!
Oh, and not one single comment by anyone at all yet about the grilles. The criticism seems limited to online discussion forums.Nice pic, better than a light color for sure, hides a bit of the hideous. It amazes me you get more compliments on that rig than the Porsche....it's like comparing Roseanne Barr with say Bella Hadid....there's not one.
amdavid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:44 pm It amazes me you get more compliments on that rig than the Porsche....I've received more compliments on my '95 Miata than all my other cars combined. Always makes me laugh when people call it a girl's car because females are indeed more interested in talking about it than they are in my 996 or Raptor.
AKSteve wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:45 am BMW has "updated" the grilles for the upcoming 560h.p. 2023 3.0 CSL. Less awful?Definitely less awful. What's the likelihood that this will be an LCI change in a couple years?
tooloud10 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:21 pmQuite shocked by the attention that the car is getting. I get some sort of comment shouted at me basically every time I take it out for a drive. A guy with a strong Indian accent cracked me up yesterday when he yelled over to me, "Excuse me! Excuse me, sir! I just want to tell you that I like your car very much and that it makes me sad that I cannot afford one for myself!" Between the accent and how polite he was, I couldn't stop laughing for a minute or so.amdavid wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:44 pm It amazes me you get more compliments on that rig than the Porsche....I've received more compliments on my '95 Miata than all my other cars combined. Always makes me laugh when people call it a girl's car because females are indeed more interested in talking about it than they are in my 996 or Raptor.
AKSteve wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:45 am BMW has "updated" the grilles for the upcoming 560h.p. 2023 3.0 CSL. Less awful?Definitely less awful. What's the likelihood that this will be an LCI change in a couple years?
amdavid wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:10 pm To each their own, I'm glad you're enjoying the car.Loving it. I'm going to have a few performance upgrades installed soon. Cold air intake, downpipes and a JB4 piggyback tune. That should get the 0-60 time down to under 3 seconds. This car may actually wind up being quicker than the 991 turbo cabriolet that I sold last year.
Bill d Cat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:49 pm It looks like the 2023 M2 doesn't get the Bizarro World grill.Yeah, I don't quite get it. The 2 and 3 Series have normal grilles, but the M3 has the same giant grille as the 4 Series and M4. It's like they've just decided that certain models will wind up with the giant oversized grilles, with the new 7 Series getting the largest grille of all.
AKSteve wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 8:35 pmWhat do you think total horsepower is bow with the mods?Bill d Cat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:49 pm It looks like the 2023 M2 doesn't get the Bizarro World grill.Yeah, I don't quite get it. The 2 and 3 Series have normal grilles, but the M3 has the same giant grille as the 4 Series and M4. It's like they've just decided that certain models will wind up with the giant oversized grilles, with the new 7 Series getting the largest grille of all.
Update on my own car, I have had downpipes, cold air intake and JB4 piggyback tune installed and the car just screams. It's definitely quicker than my 992 C4S. I'm hoping to do use my Dragy to time some 0-60 runs in the near future, provided the rain ever stops and the sun ever comes back out again.
fpena944 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:26 pm What do you think total horsepower is bow with the mods?Hard to guess without doing a dyne test. I've heard that the stock engine from the factory puts out about 50hp more than BMW claims, so 550hp rather than 503. This is a bigger, heavier car than my 991 turbo cab, but it currently feels at least as quick, if not quicker than that car. Plus it makes these great whooshing and hissing sounds thanks to the cold air intakes. I'm gonna guess it's making about 650hp with the current 95 octane fuel and the JB4 set to map 3.
N_Jay wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:31 am The fugly grills of the X3 and Q5 are one of the big reasons we are leaning towards a Macan.The X3 has too big of a grille for you? I thought it was one of the BMW's that kept a normal-sized grille.
AKSteve wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:50 pmIt seems 1/2 way between their fugly "I'm a BMW" and their really Fugly "I'm a BMW SUV"N_Jay wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:31 am The fugly grills of the X3 and Q5 are one of the big reasons we are leaning towards a Macan.The X3 has too big of a grille for you? I thought it was one of the BMW's that kept a normal-sized grille.
This 2022 X3 looks ok to me:
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N_Jay wrote: ↑Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:23 pm The X3 overall is close to what we want. (Except of the overall "looks" (Much of it teh BMW nose) that my wife hates)FWIW, the X3 M Competition has the same 503 S58 ///M engine that's in my M4. Car & Driver timed it at 3.3 seconds 0-60mph, which is nuts for an SUV.
ranger22 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:23 pm ICYMI.Just watched a recent Doug Demuro video reviewing a 1989 M5. He said it's length was within a couple of inches of the new 2-series!
Recently leaked is a rendering of the M2 coming soon.
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ranger22 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:23 pm ICYMI.The actual new M2 design may not have a huge grille, but the grille still looks goofy because it has a weird shape now. I don't know why BMW keeps doing this. Especially since every model seems to have a a grille with a totally different shape now. There's no continuity between the different models.
Recently leaked is a rendering of the M2 coming soon.
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fpena944 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:30 amI have those E28 M5s on my Bring a Trailer notifications and a LOT of them have moved this year. I really want one, but the Euro version with the correct engine and the normal bumpers instead of the hideous diving boards. Or maybe retrofit the Euro bumpers and swap an E34 3.8L. Something about an old analog sport sedan with ITBs and about the same weight as my Z06 is just so bonkers I really want it.ranger22 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:23 pm ICYMI.Just watched a recent Doug Demuro video reviewing a 1989 M5. He said it's length was within a couple of inches of the new 2-series!
Recently leaked is a rendering of the M2 coming soon.
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Wow cars sure have grown when the baby is now bigger than what was considered a mid-sized in the past.
JDS968 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:48 pmAs much as we're talking crap about the new designs you have to admit those old US spec bumpers they stuck on Euro cars were hideous. And that's probably the nicest way to describe them!fpena944 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:30 amI have those E28 M5s on my Bring a Trailer notifications and a LOT of them have moved this year. I really want one, but the Euro version with the correct engine and the normal bumpers instead of the hideous diving boards. Or maybe retrofit the Euro bumpers and swap an E34 3.8L. Something about an old analog sport sedan with ITBs and about the same weight as my Z06 is just so bonkers I really want it.ranger22 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:23 pm ICYMI.Just watched a recent Doug Demuro video reviewing a 1989 M5. He said it's length was within a couple of inches of the new 2-series!
Recently leaked is a rendering of the M2 coming soon.
F5421065-AF7D-4141-9313-5D96EF6568D6.jpeg
Wow cars sure have grown when the baby is now bigger than what was considered a mid-sized in the past.
fpena944 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:07 pmThe US-spec bumpers ruined the styling of a LOT of great designs, but those were really just the result of last-minute attempts to comply with a bonehead federal regulation. These enormous grilles are purely a styling choice dreamed up to chase sales to millennial Chinese.JDS968 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 9:48 pmAs much as we're talking crap about the new designs you have to admit those old US spec bumpers they stuck on Euro cars were hideous. And that's probably the nicest way to describe them!fpena944 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 7:30 amI have those E28 M5s on my Bring a Trailer notifications and a LOT of them have moved this year. I really want one, but the Euro version with the correct engine and the normal bumpers instead of the hideous diving boards. Or maybe retrofit the Euro bumpers and swap an E34 3.8L. Something about an old analog sport sedan with ITBs and about the same weight as my Z06 is just so bonkers I really want it.
Just watched a recent Doug Demuro video reviewing a 1989 M5. He said it's length was within a couple of inches of the new 2-series!
Wow cars sure have grown when the baby is now bigger than what was considered a mid-sized in the past.
TRAKCAR wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:57 amThat looks totally different from what BMW shows on its own website.amdavid wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2023 5:27 pm and neither has the arse..A friend bought one and I thought it was AI and made fun of it when it just came out and hadn’t seen one yet…
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AKSteve wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:02 pmThey are both fugly!TRAKCAR wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 10:57 amThat looks totally different from what BMW shows on its own website.amdavid wrote: ↑Mon Sep 25, 2023 5:27 pm and neither has the arse..A friend bought one and I thought it was AI and made fun of it when it just came out and hadn’t seen one yet…
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