993pbug wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:09 am ‘98 C2S Blk / Blk. Sending it out today to do trans rebuild ... final piece of the slippery slope puzzle!!Lol, not sure anyone ever gets back up to the top once over the edge. Good luck with the rebuild
Asquared wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:44 pm https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1997- ... era-4s-22/That’s a stunning color combo ... especially in person. My friend has the identical car and makes me not like Black too much!
Want.
Depending on where it winds up, I could probably afford the car, but my wife would make me get rid of one of my current Porsches, and I can't choose.
amdavid wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:20 pm Posting in both 997 & 993.993 without question.
No flames, simple question. Since I've owned both, I can ask this question and have an opinion.
Speaking only on aesthetics; 993S or a 997S. Which one appeals more to you?
Not considering driving, just looks, I'm going to say the 993. When I owned my 9934S, there was not another car on the road I would have preferred to drive.
fast_freddy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:31 pm Thinking of getting one again. Preferably on the rougher end of the spectrum. A project (but not too much) if you will. Frankly, these things are easy to work on and look forward to it. I got rid of my last one three and a half years ago mostly because I just simply didn't have the time to tidy it up, nor drive it. Now, my kids are off to college so...Really liked your last one. The prices really have seemed to flatten a good bit with all the insanity being in the 997 GT3 world driven by Doug and the other dealers. To be honest paying 85-90k for a 997 GT3 is silly when you can buy a good 993 and have plenty left over for some care and upkeep.
I've seen pricing all over the place. All the way from mid $20's up to over $100k (non Turbo). Obviously, there's wishful thinking for many of them priced in. Pricing does appear to have flattened/come down slightly from whence I parted with mine. That is to say, with inflation it's gone down a bit. I don't care if it needs a new top end as that's not as big a deal as often proffered at 40 hours labor plus parts. Most everything else I'd do myself and did on my prior one.
TheDeckMan wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:05 pmThanks. Mine, as you might recall, was similar to that one (did have the RS sill trim too). The biggest "improvement" was the RS suspension bushings (ERS if memory serves), RS uprights and Turbo sways along with Rennline solid subframe mounts. It wasn't harsh at all. With Volk wheels and RS2's I would outperform a friends supercharged NA Miata (240BHP) that was stripped with R compounds in most AutoX events except super tight/low gear events. The only other improvement I'd make with another would be the gearbox. First is just too short, second way too tall (relative to first). Other than that, it's perfect. Way too many people are hell bent on having more grunt. However, with 272-290~BHP its more than enough.fast_freddy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:31 pm Thinking of getting one again. Preferably on the rougher end of the spectrum. A project (but not too much) if you will. Frankly, these things are easy to work on and look forward to it. I got rid of my last one three and a half years ago mostly because I just simply didn't have the time to tidy it up, nor drive it. Now, my kids are off to college so...Really liked your last one. The prices really have seemed to flatten a good bit with all the insanity being in the 997 GT3 world driven by Doug and the other dealers. To be honest paying 85-90k for a 997 GT3 is silly when you can buy a good 993 and have plenty left over for some care and upkeep.
I've seen pricing all over the place. All the way from mid $20's up to over $100k (non Turbo). Obviously, there's wishful thinking for many of them priced in. Pricing does appear to have flattened/come down slightly from whence I parted with mine. That is to say, with inflation it's gone down a bit. I don't care if it needs a new top end as that's not as big a deal as often proffered at 40 hours labor plus parts. Most everything else I'd do myself and did on my prior one.
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fast_freddy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:41 amYep I remember your car vividly, really thought it might go well in my garage but alas was not in the cards. It is amazing how some simple suspension upgrades really can improve an old platform. Sounds like a long weekend project on your daughters Miata, 3500 is a bit buzzy for the highway, that is like my Corrado with the VW Motorsport gear set. Super fast out of the corners but not ideal for road trips.
Thanks. Mine, as you might recall, was similar to that one (did have the RS sill trim too). The biggest "improvement" was the RS suspension bushings (ERS if memory serves), RS uprights and Turbo sways along with Rennline solid subframe mounts. It wasn't harsh at all. With Volk wheels and RS2's I would outperform a friends supercharged NA Miata (240BHP) that was stripped with R compounds in most AutoX events except super tight/low gear events. The only other improvement I'd make with another would be the gearbox. First is just too short, second way too tall (relative to first). Other than that, it's perfect. Way too many people are hell bent on having more grunt. However, with 272-290~BHP its more than enough.
The immediate project for me is "pimping" my daughters NB Miata. By pimp, I mean just replacing the suspension bushings, new shocks and replacing the tires. The tires have plenty of tread but are old. At 145k miles the suspension is just long in the tooth. I'm replacing the EGR valve Sunday and doing the rest over the next week or so as she's off to school tomorrow and it wont be needed. Those things are a ton of fun at lower speeds. My onlt gripe about it is at 65mph it runs 3500 rpm so its a bit loud.
amdavid wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:24 pm Yep, a few things that sucked about the 97.....if I went with a 993 again it would definitely be a 95.Funny you mention the immobilizer because when I went to test drive that car it took a few minutes to get the ignition to work. They needed about 3 salespeople to take a look at get it operational.
SAI/CEL and immobilizer, really sucked!....plus I like the basket handle 3rd brake light on the 95's.
amdavid wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 12:20 pmSpeaking only on aesthetics; 993S or a 997S. Which one appeals more to you?I prefer the 993S over the 997S visually. The front end is kind of a wash, but 993 (any version) has one of the best rear ends of any car on the road.
Not considering driving, just looks, I'm going to say the 993. When I owned my 9934S, there was not another car on the road I would have preferred to drive.
amdavid wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:11 pmSet going on my 944 S2.....what you think about those on the 944 series?Pretty good on an S2 or the later Turbo with the S2 bumpers.
amdavid wrote:Searching for a 993, huh...?Yeah, Bring a Trailer is full of pristine low mileage $65,000 C2s. It would be criminal to cut their body panels up and a huge waste of money, too. Where are the $35,000 drivers with torn seats and faded paint?
JDS968 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:46 pmThose can be found, however they're all cabs or tips.amdavid wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:11 pmSet going on my 944 S2.....what you think about those on the 944 series?Pretty good on an S2 or the later Turbo with the S2 bumpers.
Maybe not so much on the earlier 944s.
amdavid wrote:Searching for a 993, huh...?Yeah, Bring a Trailer is full of pristine low mileage $65,000 C2s. It would be criminal to cut their body panels up and a huge waste of money, too. Where are the $35,000 drivers with torn seats and faded paint?
JDS968 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:56 pm It's a crying shame Porsche ruined so many perfectly good 968s and 993s with that godawful transmission.Permission granted, the 968/944 S2 cabs probably really blow in terms of long term use/reliability and they don't look great. I'm guessing the 993 is decent, however the cab just kills the rear lines of the car....again, compromising the appearance of an otherwise gorgeous car.
I'd say the same about cabriolets, but I understand some people actually PREFER them...
JDS968 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:56 pm It's a crying shame Porsche ruined so many perfectly good 968s and 993s with that godawful transmission.
I'd say the same about cabriolets, but I understand some people actually PREFER them...
David993S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:49 amRemember when the Porsche 930 was only available with a 4 speed manual transmission?JDS968 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:56 pm It's a crying shame Porsche ruined so many perfectly good 968s and 993s with that godawful transmission.
I'd say the same about cabriolets, but I understand some people actually PREFER them...
I wouldn't call the Tip a godawful transmission. It does take some of the performance out of the 993 vs. a manual, but it's a robust, reliable transmission. Granted, if it had 5 speeds (like my 996 Tip) instead of 4 it would be better. Not everyone needs or wants a manual whether it's for convenience or physical mobility issues. My 993 C2S Tip is a blast to drive and I'm glad Porsche offered it in the 993. YMMV.![]()
David993S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:49 am I wouldn't call the Tip a godawful transmission. It does take some of the performance out of the 993 vs. a manual, but it's a robust, reliable transmission. Granted, if it had 5 speeds (like my 996 Tip) instead of 4 it would be better. Not everyone needs or wants a manual whether it's for convenience or physical mobility issues. My 993 C2S Tip is a blast to drive and I'm glad Porsche offered it in the 993. YMMV.I agree. As far as automatics go, the Tip was a great performer for the time and rock solid. I've driven Tiptronic 964s and 993s, and they were better than I expected and well-matched to the characteristics of the engine. Conversely, I drove an automatic 944, and that was one of the most disappointing drives of my life.![]()
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