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By ranger22
#160391
The long awaited and often doubted Raptor R is supposed to be announced July 18. Anyone believe it? I was hoping for talk like a pirate day. Oh well. If it’s the right formula, I’ll be locking my order next week. If not, I’ll keep my 2018 and be happy with it. Has anyone else been tracking this?
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By ny991
#160407
Not following the Raptor, but I ordered an F350 in February and don’t have a build date yet.

Patience is definitely required!
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By AKSteve
#160438
Yeah, and I bought a brand new 2021 in May of this year which had been ordered by the dealership last July. Why do they keep introducing new crap when they can't fill their current orders? Also, do we really need so many different versions of the new Bronco? Ford needs to get their priorities straight and try to fill their existing orders.
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By fpena944
#160448
AKSteve wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:40 am Yeah, and I bought a brand new 2021 in May of this year which had been ordered by the dealership last July. Why do they keep introducing new crap when they can't fill their current orders? Also, do we really need so many different versions of the new Bronco? Ford needs to get their priorities straight and try to fill their existing orders.
Thing is the new model announcements generate traffic and deposits. Once they have that they know you've got a vested interest so they can test your patience.
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By AKSteve
#160479
fpena944 wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:07 am
AKSteve wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:40 am Yeah, and I bought a brand new 2021 in May of this year which had been ordered by the dealership last July. Why do they keep introducing new crap when they can't fill their current orders? Also, do we really need so many different versions of the new Bronco? Ford needs to get their priorities straight and try to fill their existing orders.
Thing is the new model announcements generate traffic and deposits. Once they have that they know you've got a vested interest so they can test your patience.
OK, but they should have to add an, "Expected Deliver Date" that is actually realistic when they introduce a new product.
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By tooloud10
#160484
ranger22 wrote: Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:56 pm The long awaited and often doubted Raptor R is supposed to be announced July 18. Anyone believe it? I was hoping for talk like a pirate day. Oh well. If it’s the right formula, I’ll be locking my order next week. If not, I’ll keep my 2018 and be happy with it. Has anyone else been tracking this?
Unfortunately we already know the formula: third gen Raptor 37PP + supercharged V8 + limited production + $50k dealer markup = $150k pickup.

I'd be happy if I could just find a dealer willing to sell the best new Ford products at MSRP.
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By Airkuhl
#160502
I'm all for a big V8, but of all the things I would change about my Raptor, more power doesn't even make the top 10.
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By ranger22
#160509
Airkuhl wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:22 pm I'm all for a big V8, but of all the things I would change about my Raptor, more power doesn't even make the top 10.
I’m curious what you would change. I love my 2018. The only thing I’d like to change is for the motor to sound better and I wouldn’t mind a touch more power. Part of my “right formula” calculation is whether or not this motor is under 700hp. I’d be happy with 550-600, personally, but I know it will be more than that. Fuel mileage be damned, I barely get 12 out of my ecoboost.
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By Airkuhl
#160512
ranger22 wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:39 pm
Airkuhl wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:22 pm I'm all for a big V8, but of all the things I would change about my Raptor, more power doesn't even make the top 10.
I’m curious what you would change.
I'm comparing it to the Ram I had previously.
Driver seat squeaks
Interior quality is generally shoddy with cheap plastics.
Sync 3 system is primitive
Rear seatbacks are too upright.
"Upgraded" stereo system speakers rattle if volume is above 10.
Bed is 6" too short.
MPG is as bad as a big V8
Changing oil is a pain with the way the skid plates are arranged.
Leaf springs squeak sometimes.

I could go on but you get the idea. I do like driving it and it sure is pretty, but my next truck will probably be a Ram again. That thing was screwed together right, rode better and the materials and ICE were better, like comparing a Jap or Euro car to an American one.
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By ranger22
#160515
Airkuhl wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:53 pm
ranger22 wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:39 pm
Airkuhl wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:22 pm I'm all for a big V8, but of all the things I would change about my Raptor, more power doesn't even make the top 10.
I’m curious what you would change.
I'm comparing it to the Ram I had previously.
Driver seat squeaks
Interior quality is generally shoddy with cheap plastics.
Sync 3 system is primitive
Rear seatbacks are too upright.
"Upgraded" stereo system speakers rattle if volume is above 10.
Bed is 6" too short.
MPG is as bad as a big V8
Changing oil is a pain with the way the skid plates are arranged.
Leaf springs squeak sometimes.

I could go on but you get the idea. I do like driving it and it sure is pretty, but my next truck will probably be a Ram again. That thing was screwed together right, rode better and the materials and ICE were better, like comparing a Jap or Euro car to an American one.
Interesting. I came from 17yrs of GM trucks and this Ford is light years ahead of those trucks I had. I‘ve always been biased against Rams due to their history of being junk. Perhaps in this day and age they are put together well. What I’m hearing from Texas Motorworx is that the motors are solid, but the rest of truck (TRX) can’t keep up with it and it’s a dog against the Raptor when off-roading due to weight and inferior suspension. Mine sees a lot of dirt in normal driving, but I’m not out jumping my truck. The only thing on your list that I notice is the suspension squeaking, but everything I drive on dirt squeaks in short order. I think it’s the caliche “roads.”
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By Airkuhl
#160522
ranger22 wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 1:07 pm
Airkuhl wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:53 pm
ranger22 wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:39 pm

I’m curious what you would change.
I'm comparing it to the Ram I had previously.
Driver seat squeaks
Interior quality is generally shoddy with cheap plastics.
Sync 3 system is primitive
Rear seatbacks are too upright.
"Upgraded" stereo system speakers rattle if volume is above 10.
Bed is 6" too short.
MPG is as bad as a big V8
Changing oil is a pain with the way the skid plates are arranged.
Leaf springs squeak sometimes.

I could go on but you get the idea. I do like driving it and it sure is pretty, but my next truck will probably be a Ram again. That thing was screwed together right, rode better and the materials and ICE were better, like comparing a Jap or Euro car to an American one.
Interesting. I came from 17yrs of GM trucks and this Ford is light years ahead of those trucks I had. I‘ve always been biased against Rams due to their history of being junk. Perhaps in this day and age they are put together well. What I’m hearing from Texas Motorworx is that the motors are solid, but the rest of truck (TRX) can’t keep up with it and it’s a dog against the Raptor when off-roading due to weight and inferior suspension. Mine sees a lot of dirt in normal driving, but I’m not out jumping my truck. The only thing on your list that I notice is the suspension squeaking, but everything I drive on dirt squeaks in short order. I think it’s the caliche “roads.”
Doesn't surprise me that the TRX is an imitation Raptor and not as good. If I want a Baja oriented truck, I would stick with my Raptor all day long.

It's funny, truck loyalty seems to be regional. When I was growing up in TX, Fords were considered the best. When I lived in CA, Chevy and GMC seemed the most common, especially in the Latino community. Up here, the trucks with writing on the doors are mostly Rams. I don't have any loyalty, the brands are interchangeable to me and every year a different one is better than the others.

IMO, people think Ram is crap because they see a lot of rusted out old Rams on the road. Why, because they're still running. Just for fun sit in a modern Ram someday, it will surprise you. It did me. A modern Ram and an old Dodge are 2 different things.
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By ranger22
#160642
I just saw a video claiming the truck will have 760hp/650lbft. Base price is $107k, but will be mostly loaded. Only options are color, stickers, giant sunroof and accessories like bed liners and tonneau covers. Expected weight to be very close to standard raptor despite the V-8 motor and 37” tires.
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By AKSteve
#160667
ranger22 wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:39 pm I’m curious what you would change. I love my 2018. The only thing I’d like to change is for the motor to sound better and I wouldn’t mind a touch more power.
The Borla Type S exhaust that I had installed made a HUGE difference in how my 2018 Raptor sounded. It sounded better and louder than my 2021 Gen 3 with it's fancy "trombone" exhaust set to Baja Mode. And for power, a COBB Accessport works great. I used the 87 octane tune in the summer and the 91 octane tune in the winter. If you have access to better gas than the shitty 90 octane Premium that we have in Alaska, you'll get even more power.

If I could change anything on my 2021 Raptor, it would be more headroom. They put speakers in the roof and with those and the sunroof, my head is basically touching the roof. I could never do any real off-roading in this truck unless I figure out a way to lower the driver's seat.
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By ranger22
#160729
AKSteve wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 1:16 am The Borla Type S exhaust that I had installed made a HUGE difference in how my 2018 Raptor sounded. It sounded better and louder than my 2021 Gen 3 with it's fancy "trombone" exhaust set to Baja Mode. And for power, a COBB Accessport works great. I used the 87 octane tune in the summer and the 91 octane tune in the winter. If you have access to better gas than the shitty 90 octane Premium that we have in Alaska, you'll get even more power.
I’m of the opinion that a TTV6 will never sound good, so it’s best to not hear it at all. Borla would just make the awful sound louder.
Also well aware of the tuners available for more power. Been there done that, never NOT eventually had a problem with aftermarket stuff on motors. So I don’t really mess with tuners anymore.

If this new Raptor R is really 760hp, then I will have to think about whether or not I really want it. I was hoping my next truck to be my last one forever. I don’t think a boosted 5.2L up to 760hp will have the durability that I’m seeking. Maybe it will run 600hp standard and only go up to 760 on certain modes like Baja mode. I guess we’ll know next Monday.
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By AKSteve
#160731
ranger22 wrote: Thu Jul 14, 2022 1:21 pm I’m of the opinion that a TTV6 will never sound good, so it’s best to not hear it at all. Borla would just make the awful sound louder.
It changes the sound completely. The stock exhaust just sounded awful to me. The Borla Type S totally changes the tone and increases the volume greatly. I let a friend borrow my truck recently and he told me he spent one afternoon just driving around with the windows down, flooring it from light to light just to hear the exhaust.

It's not perfect, but it sounds great to me. This isn't my truck, but it sounds about the same. If anything, my exhaust got a bit louder than this over time.

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By tooloud10
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Airkuhl wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:22 pm I'm all for a big V8, but of all the things I would change about my Raptor, more power doesn't even make the top 10.
+1

There's nothing I do with my Raptor that would benefit from more power. 450hp works just fine in this truck and I'm always surprised that people seem willing to pay $30k more just to get more.
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By ranger22
#161312
tooloud10 wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:42 am
Airkuhl wrote: Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:22 pm I'm all for a big V8, but of all the things I would change about my Raptor, more power doesn't even make the top 10.
+1

There's nothing I do with my Raptor that would benefit from more power. 450hp works just fine in this truck and I'm always surprised that people seem willing to pay $30k more just to get more.
Yeah yeah yeah, I hear you. Nobody NEEDS 700hp.
Just wait until someone blows past you with that deep V-8 rumble and after that you are reminded that your raptor sounds like a salad shooter! I kid, I kid.

Love my V6TT Raptor, but the timing is right, so I’m going for it. I have an allocation at MSRP, how can I pass it up?
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By tooloud10
#161353
ranger22 wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:04 pm Love my V6TT Raptor, but the timing is right, so I’m going for it. I have an allocation at MSRP, how can I pass it up?
I'm surprised to hear of a dealer honoring MSRP for an R. Hopefully it's one that you trust because a lot of dealers made that promise on the earlier 3rd gen Raptors and the offer mysteriously disappeared when the truck arrived and the dealer realized they could easily sell it for $10-20k more.
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By DAVfoto
#162124
tooloud10 wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:51 pm
ranger22 wrote: Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:04 pm Love my V6TT Raptor, but the timing is right, so I’m going for it. I have an allocation at MSRP, how can I pass it up?
I'm surprised to hear of a dealer honoring MSRP for an R. Hopefully it's one that you trust because a lot of dealers made that promise on the earlier 3rd gen Raptors and the offer mysteriously disappeared when the truck arrived and the dealer realized they could easily sell it for $10-20k more.
Yea, that's iffy. I hope you get it Ranger but I have seen other guys on FRF say they were promised msrp and then told 30k-50k ADM.

MSRP on this truck is too high, should be 92-95 max. 150k? Give me a Gen 3 37PP with the v6 and I'm good, I don't mind the sound plus it will be just as good Offroad plus I have an extra 40-50k to do mid travel and overland mods to it.

Working on modding my 18 as I just don't have money for a 21/22/23 but I do like them, the interiors in the new ones look light years ahead of the Gen 2s..
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By tooloud10
#162449
^^ I know what you mean but I've been loving my gen 2 Raptor and really don't feel like I'm missing out on too much by not finding a new one. I'm gonna forge ahead on my mild build and see what happens with the market.
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By mts
#169052
Have you seen the market softening on these a little? I've been looking for a 3rd gen (new or slightly used) but am just unwilling to pay that premium over MSRP (the used 2021's I'm seeing are still asking +$7-12K over 2022 MSRP and 2022 new at +$15-20k over 2022 MSRP). The market will correct at some point but it may be a while. I should have never driven a Gen 3 otherwise I would have been perfectly happy with a used Gen 2. I'm not in a rush though so I suppose I'll just wait.
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By tooloud10
#170004
If the gen 3 Raptor market has softened, it's not gotten to the point where I'm ready to jump in to the pool, which is when they're regularly selling for MSRP.

Don't get me wrong, I could probably find an incoming truck for MSRP if I was willing to make an exhaustive search, pay a deposit to an unknown dealer, and wait a few months, but...I'm not willing to go through the effort that the auto industry is currently demanding to get a new car.
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By AKSteve
#170869
Until trucks are sitting around on the lot and not selling with the markup, you can't really say the market has softened. But dealers seem to have things worked out so that there's always a truck or two "incoming" but nothing actually available on the lot.

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